To: RTVISC - Working Group 2
From: Dave Rutherford – WG2 Co-chair
Subject: Report on WG2 Task Force Conference
– 5, 6, 7 Aug 97 – St. Michaels, MD
A special WG2 Task Force conference was
held in St. Michaels, MD on Tue/Wed/Thurs, 5, 6, 7 Aug 97. One representative
from each of the nine (9) suppliers developing CBTC systems was invited, and
eight (8) attended. Present also were Geoff Hubbs and Alan Rumsey representing
NYCT; Ron Kangas, Jeff Mora and Venkat Pindriprolu representing the FTA; Lou
Sanders representing APTA, and Tom McGean and Dave Rutherford representing IEEE
WG2.
The goal of the conference was to
create a consensus standard for CBTC wayside Ö train
communication message content and format.
Attendees:
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AFFILIATION |
NAME |
PHONE |
FAX |
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ADtranz |
Jeff Stover |
412 655 5346 |
412 655 5108 |
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Alcatel - SELC |
Bill Gallagher |
416 742 3900 |
416 742 9088 |
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APTA |
Lou Sanders |
202 898 4086 |
202 898 4019 |
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ATSG (NYCT) |
Alan Rumsey |
212 266 8527 |
212 266 8536 |
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NYCT |
Geoff Hobbs |
212-492-8495 |
212-492-8360 |
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FTA |
Ron Kangas |
202 366 0212 |
202 366 3765 |
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FTA |
Jeff Mora |
202 366 0212 |
202 366 3765 |
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FTA |
Venkat Pindiprolu |
202 366 8061 |
202 366 3765 |
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GE Harris |
Florence Heidel |
407 242 5146 |
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GRS |
Bill Petit |
716 783 2017 |
716 783 2080 |
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Harmon |
Tod Mauerman |
562 427 4273 |
562 427 4993 |
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MATRA |
Roland Tousch |
011 33 1 49 65 71 73 |
011 33 1 49 65 71 19 |
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RSE (WG2) |
Dave Rutherford |
716 292 1440 |
716 292 1446 |
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TJMPE (IEEE) |
Tom McGean |
703 280 2299 |
703 280 0748 |
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US&S |
Denny Pascoe |
412 688 2710 |
412 688 2307 |
|
WSL |
Harry Ryland |
011 44 12 49 1426 |
011 44 12 49 44 1440 |
SUMMARY
A table (Table 1: see Appendix 1) was
created which compared various design aspects of each supplier’s CBTC system
designs. The design aspects used were selected to accentuate known differences in each design.
At this point in the conference,
discussions among the suppliers and NYCT concluded with the decision that for a
number of reasons (see below), it would not be possible for the suppliers to
reach a unanimous consensus regarding message format.
One fact that contributed to this
decision was that NYCT indicated that if the proposed consensus standard was
not unanimously accepted by all suppliers, it would not be included in the RFP
for Canarsie as a requirement. NYCT made it clear that it was not in their best
interest to eliminate potential suppliers from submitting proposals for the
Canarsie project based on their non-conformance to a consensus standard.
The group continued, however, to
discuss what they would consider an ‘best fit’ message structure, at least in
so far as information content was concerned. The ‘best fit’ structure
represents information required by the majority of the suppliers’ systems to
implement each of the design aspects summarized in Table 1. This ‘best fit’
structure is summarized in Table 2 (see Appendix 2). While the structure
represented the majority of designs for each design aspect, no one supplier
conformed to the ‘best fit’ in all aspects.
Thus the attempt to create a consensus
standard for the wayside Ö train message was not in itself successful.
However, it was agreed by those present that there would be benefit in shifting
the focus of the working group to standards for CBTC performance, function and
operational specifications.
Such a focus would necessarily require
active participation by the transit agencies intent on procuring CBTC systems.
This topic will be presented to a group of transit agencies meeting at PATH in
New York on 29 September. If there is commitment among the agencies, the
proposed change in focus will be presented to the members of WG2 and the full
IEEE committee for a decision.
A group of transit agencies met on 24,
25 July at NYCT to discuss the implications of interoperability standards in
general and the WG2 efforts to date. The minutes of this meeting (written by
Alan Rumsey) are included in Appendix 3.
ABBREVIATED MINUTES
Day 1: August 5th
! Tom
McGean and Lou Sanders welcomed the group and stressed the unique window of
opportunity for standardization presented by this meeting.
! Geoff
Hubbs and Alan Rumsey gave a brief review of NYCT’s requirements for the
Canarsie project:
NYCT requires
a ‘smart’ vehicle, i.e., able to perform specified tasks without information
from the wayside in the event of a communication failure. NYCT desires at least
three qualified suppliers, and interoperability is a key issue.
There is at
this point no preferred radio system, and the radio reliability and
functionality represent the largest unknown. LIRR may participate in NYCT’s
test phase.
If an IEEE
interoperability standard can be adopted unanimously, NYCT will specify it as a
requirement. It was intially stated that in the case of a non-unanimous
consensus standard, those proposers conforming to the standard will be
favorably considered, but it will not be a requirement. Later, NYCT indicated
that no favorable consideration would be given if conforming would require a
design change by the supplier.
Phase I of
the Canarsie project will use a two mile test track on the Culver line, and a
nominal $1 M will be provided to each of the three suppliers selected for Phase
I. Phase I award: April - Aug, 1998. Phase I testing will begin in early 1999
for 6 months. Award for Phase II will be made in Oct. 1999, and the selected
supplier will create the interoperability standard.
The
specification included in the RFP is based on performance requirements; system
architecture is not defined, however several requirements require considerable
intelligence on the vehicle.
! Alan
Rumsey summarized the 24, 25 July transit agency meeting in NYC on CBTC
interoperability and functional and performance requirements. (see Appendix 3
for meeting minutes).
! Dave
Rutherford defined the purpose of the meeting and outlined the first day’s
agenda.
! Nine
suppliers were invited to the conference. All attended with the exception of
GEC Alsthom. All suppliers attending came prepared with information describing
their system’s topographical representation methodology and train> wayside,
wayside>train interface data.
! A
preliminary version of Table 1 was proposed as a mechanism for identifying key
differences in the design aspects of each supplier’s CBTC system which would
affect the train Ö wayside message structure. Additional
functional & design aspects were added. Each supplier indicated which of
the listed aspects were applicable to his system. The completed Table 1 (see
Appendix 1) shows in bold the various aspects in which a majority of the
suppliers were essentially equivalent.
! The
process of negotiating a consensus standard for wayside Ö
train message structure and format began with a discussion of the various
methods used by each supplier to represent topographical data. It was
considered necessary to reach agreement on topographical representation prior
to discussing actual message structure.
At this point, it became apparent
that several suppliers were sufficiently divergent in their developed CBTC
system designs so that a unanimous standard would not be possible. This being
the case, it was agreed not to attempt negotiating a consensus standard and
that some benefit could be gained by discussing a "best fit’ standard for
topographic data representation and wayside Ö train message
structure.
Day 2: August 6th
! The
group completed its discussion of the ‘best fit’ standard, summarized in
Appendix 2.
! Ron
Kangas advised that FTA was disappointed that a more serious effort had not
been made on an interface standard, and indicated FTA’s concern that this could
result in a situation where NYCT had a unique CTBC system.
Day 3: August 7th
Regards,
David B. Rutherford, Jr. , WG2 Co-Chair
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TOP LEVEL CATEGORIES |
ALC |
ADZ |
GEC |
GEH |
GRS |
HAR |
MAT |
USS CSEE |
WSL |
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1. TOPOGRAPHIC DATA |
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- on board |
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X |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
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- broadcast to train |
(Ö ) |
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- wayside |
X |
X |
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X |
(Ö ) |
X |
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2. LOA XMIT |
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- xmit each train |
X |
X |
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X |
X |
X |
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X |
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- broadcast to zone |
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X |
X |
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3. LOA (obstacle or EOR) |
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- actual obs. Position |
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X |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
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- target point includes safety margin from obs. |
X |
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4. ROUTE XMIT |
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- as switch positions |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
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- as segments |
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X |
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X |
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- no route info xmitted |
X |
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5. OBSTACLE XMIT |
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- civil limits as LOA |
X |
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- TSR treated as LOA |
X |
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- unaligned/open switch |
X |
X |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
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- vehicle ahead |
X |
X |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
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- End of Route |
X |
X |
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X |
X |
X |
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X |
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6.TEMP SPEED RESTRIC’s |
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- acknowledge required |
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X |
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X |
X |
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- treated as temp. topo data |
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X |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
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- rcv’d as LOA obstacle |
X |
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7. ONBOARD SAFE SPEED LIMIT CALC |
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- uses topo data |
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X |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
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- topo data not used |
X |
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- route info used |
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X |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
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- route info not used |
X |
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8. CIVIL SPEED |
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- calc from topo data |
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X |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
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- xmitted as LOA data |
X |
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9. FREQ MSG XMIT |
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- periodic |
1s |
1s |
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1s |
PTG |
2s |
2s |
1s |
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- non-periodic (as needed) - (within range) |
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X |
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LOA |
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10. EMERGENCY STOP |
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- periodic permiss to go |
(Ö ) |
X |
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X |
X |
X |
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- emerg stop request |
X |
X |
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X |
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- broadcast |
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X |
X |
X |
X |
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- per train |
X |
X |
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X |
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X |
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11. W>T DATA RATE |
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- (assume 20 trains per zone) |
4*1200 |
64K |
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38.4K |
9.6K |
9.6K |
9.6K |
2.4K |
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12. T>W DATA RATE |
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- (assume 20 trains per zone) |
4*600 |
64K |
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? |
38.4K |
9.6K |
4.8K |
4.8K |
2.4KM |
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13. VIRTUAL/MOVING BLOCK |
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- virtual |
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Ö |
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X |
X |
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- moving block |
X |
X |
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X |
Ö |