IEEE Rail Transit Vehicle Interface Standards Committee

 

WG9 STANDARD P1544

TRANSIT COMMUNICATIONS INTERFACE PROFILES FOR RAIL APPLICATIONS

 

Meeting 12, October 26, 2000

Daimler Chrysler Rail Systems Inc. (Adtranz)

1501 Lebanon Church Road

Pittsburgh, PA 15236-1491

 

Combined Agenda and Minutes

 

Attendees:

 

Name

Company

Phone

E-Mail

Dave Phelps

APTA

(202) 898-4085

dphelps@apta.com

Greg Neff

Microsym

(416) 293-8263

greg@microsym.com

Isabelle Cornelus

ALSTOM

(607) 324-4595 ext 4182

isabelle.cornelus@transport.alstom.com

Pierre Zuber

Adtranz

(412) 655-5479

pierre.a.zuber@us.adtranz.com

Fred Woolsey

LTK

(215) 641-8865

fwoolsey@ltk.com

Mike Barnett

City of SF

(415) 554-0896

mike_barnett@ci.sf.ca.us

 

9:00-9:45 AM

·                 Introductions, meeting purpose, general discussion

-                Microsym is providing the Lon-E1 router for Telephonics on R142/R142A.

-                The railway supply community in US needs a lot of education on LonMark interoperability.

-                Microsym would like to influence IEEE to adopt higher speed networks as standards in IEEE 1473.

-                Related to the above, it was agreed that it might be of interest to take another survey of available networking technologies, in particular for information technology needs (voice, video, Internet access) on rail vehicles.

9:45-11:00 AM

·                 Report on LonWorld 2000- Greg Neff

-                An Italian power company (NL) will be hooking up over 30 million consumers over the power lines using Echelon power line transceiver technology.  This will be used for metering and power demand management.  They plan to implement this in three years and have bought a 30% stake in Echelon.  This may tie up Echelon’s resources for quite some time to come.

-                Microsym has gotten a hardware/firmware license to do a transit-hardened version of the Echelon RTR-10 router.

-                Cypress Semiconductor is working on a higher-speed version of the Neuron (40 MHz).  The bit rate on this network would be 5 Mbps.

-                In Microsym’s opinion, telecom buses (such as T3) hold a good deal of promise for future high-speed railway network applications.

-                There was some discussion of opening up WG1 again to re-examine network physical layers for rail vehicles.

-                Tom Sullivan’s web site should have links to the Transportation track LonWorld presentations from LonWorld 2000.

ACTION: Fred Woolsey to e-mail Tom Sullivan regarding this.

·                 Report on LonMark Transportation Working Group meeting- Greg Neff

-                The meeting was sparsely attended, per Greg Neff.

-                China may be looking at WorldFIP for their rail vehicles.

-                Greg Neff has action to put together the IEEE 1475 profile for LonMark.

·                 Report on RTVISC meeting- Fred Woolsey

-                There was discussion of the proposed TWC protocol standard and liaison to related AAR working group, along with discussion of candidates for the WG chair for the TWC standard.

-                The use of IEEE 1488 and 1489 in P1544 was discussed.  It was agreed that the data elements in IEEE 1544 would be represented both in their “native” format and in the format prescribed by those standards.

-                TCN-Lon gateway implementation.

i)                It was agreed that this should be raised with ALSTOM in the context of Comet 5.

ACTION: Fred Woolsey to send Tom McGean’s gateway proposal to Isabelle Cornelus (see TSD web site).

ACTION: ALSTOM (Isabelle Cornelus, et. al.) to review proposal for relevance to their work on Comet 5.

11:00 AM-12:00 PM, 1:00 PM-2:00 PM

·                 Discussion of relationship between IEEE 1544 and UIC 556- Fred Woolsey

-                The question was raised regarding different operation types (loco hauled, LRV, etc.) and standardization.  It was agreed that a “one size fits all” that accounts for all possible types of operation may be wasteful of bandwidth.

-                The idea of “self-identifying” telegrams that indicate different message content being transmitted based on class of operation was discussed.  This would allow system applications to interpret network messages differently in different operational contexts based on identifier information within the message itself.

ACTION: Fred Woolsey to make draft version of UIC 556 available for reference and use by the working group on the WG9 FTP site

URL: ftp://wg9user:p1544@ftp.fwsbcon.com

·                 Discussion of trainset inauguration requirements to be added to IEEE 1544

-                It was agreed to add this to the standard when the time comes.

·                 Discussion (Mike Barnett) of separating the essential characteristics of the data elements themselves from other attributes that are functional.  One reason is that data elements can be “re-used” by different functional areas.

ACTION: Fred Woolsey to make database documents, with comment forms and instructions, available on the web, with date for comments to be returned.

ACTION: Fred Woolsey to e-mail all with notification that info is on line.

ACTION: Attendees to review data elements in the following areas:

Doors- Isabelle Cornelus

Propulsion- Dave Phelps, Greg Neff, Pierre Zuber

·                 Discussion of possible WG9 subcommittees- Fred Woolsey (Not discussed)

2:00-2:30 PM

·                 Discussion of recent developments in trainline networks- Greg Neff (Microsym)

-                Looking at point-to-point T3 for T/L networking with a ring topology, possibly redundant.

-                Packet tunnel has been developed allowing LonWorks to be sent transparently over a higher speed network.  Delay is up to about 3 to 4 ms end to end on a 10-car train.

2:30 PM-4:00 PM

·                 Review of Action Item Status

-                WG9 issues tracking- Fred Woolsey Open

ACTION: Bring discussion group back on line.

Note: The URL for the discussion group is
http://ieee.fwsbcon.com
User Name: wg9user
Password: p1544

-                Criticality levels for timeliness- Fred Woolsey Done

-                Confirmation that database fields are adequate to define data for TCN- Pierre Zuber Open

-                Confirmation that database fields are adequate to define data for LonWorks- Jeremy Roberts Open

-                Review form for database comments- Fred Woolsey Done

-                Locomotive hauled data elements- John Ewing Open

-                Verify that all applicable IEEE 1475 data elements are accounted for- Dave Phelps, Jim Lyke Done

-                Revised project scope for revised PAR- Fred Woolsey Done

·                 Review of revised data element database- Fred Woolsey Done partially; see above

4:00-4:30 PM

·                 Wrap-up

·                 New Business None

·                 Meeting Time and Place, next meeting

NEXT MEETING OF WG9:
At LTK, January 17, 2001 10:00 AM to 5 PM
Address:
LTK Engineering Services
100 West Butler Avenue
Ambler, PA 19002
(215) 641-8865 (Fred Woolsey)

 

·                 Adjourn