IEEE Rail Transit Vehicle Interface Standards Committee

 

WG9 TRANSIT COMMUNICATIONS INTERFACE PROFILES FOR RAIL TRANSIT SYSTEMS

Second Meeting, May 29, 1998

Metro-North Training Department

Grand Central Terminal

7th Floor Hall B, Class 2

Meeting called to order at 10:00 a.m.

 

  1. Introduction
    1. Welcome
    2. Russ Kology welcomed the WG9 attendees and explained Metro-North’s requirements for integrated communications. Rob McHugh introduced himself and introductions continued around the table. A list of attendees is attached.
    3. Agenda

    The agenda was reviewed and accepted as attached. with the correction to the spelling of Mr. Phelps.

  2. IEEE–TCIP Co-ordination
  3. According to Tom McGean, Chair of the IEEE-RTVISC, there are two possible combinations of working arrangements between the IEEE–RTVISC WG9 and the ITE–TCIP. The advantages and disadvantages of various combinations were presented and discussed. The group agreed that the arrangement must include balloting by the Rail Community. The ITE, NTCIP balloting procedure will be reviewed to determine if adequate rail representation can be obtained.
  4. TCIP Overview and Report
  5. The TCIP effort initiated by the Institute of Transportation Engineers, Standards for Intelligent Transit Systems Power Point presentation is available on the website: http://www.tcip.org/tsc/documentation.html. The TCIP Framework Document was distributed The purpose of this document is to define the Framework for Transit Business Area objects that are supported by the Transit Communication Interface Profiles (TCIP). These objects constitute the "transit" component of the National Transportation Communication for ITS Protocol (NTCIP) effort. This document introduces the background, basic concepts and conformance requirements that apply to all TCIP business area requirements. The end application profile, top-down approach, used the NEMA hierarchical addressing convention and ASN.1 data types to create data and message object databases. The on-board object sets were of particular interest to the IEEE-RTVISC WG9 since they have rail object set placeholders. WG members are asked to review the other business areas to determine if rail was appropriately represented. The web site is www.TCIP.org.
  6. Internet Issues
    1. Attachments
    2. The consensus in the group was that Word 6.0 or Rich Text Format (RTF) would be suitable formats for e-mail attachments. Multiple attachments had not created problems for anyone in the group. Large files should be posted on the TSD website.
    3. Database Programs

    A Windows 95 version of Access or above can read TCIP databases. A web version will be available in Word 6.0. A typical TCIP Access data entry form was reviewed. Russ Cology distributed Metro North’s extensive fault list for the M2 & M4 vehicles. With the use of Cellular Digital Packet Data (CDPD) modems there were some concerns on how to transmit this fault data. Treating each fault as a data element or categorizing the faults by subsystem, then fault code would depend on the available bandwidth.

  7. Railway Open System Interconnection Network (ROSIN)
  8. The document "ROSIN Data Representations and Notations" was distributed in hard copy and can be e-mailed by Pierre Zuber to any interested party requesting it. Similar to TCIP, the ROSIN standard uses Abstract Syntax Notation (ASN.1) to formally define data to be represented on a communication network.

    To save bandwidth, specifying encoding rules for real-time networks can reduce some of the overhead associated with a hierarchical system. ROSIN also uses floating-point representation of binary numbers (as in IEEE Standard 754).

  9. Sponsorship of the WG9 Standard
  10. The issue of whether the rail TCIP standard should be ITE or IEEE was not resolved, but Rob McHugh and Tom McGean prepared a comparison matrix that was discussed. The full committee should decide the assignment of a sponsor.
  11. Entering IEEE WG Data into a Database
  12. Rob McHugh agreed to e-mail the database entry form (TCIP modified) to WG Chairs for entry of their working groups data elements. The data can be entered at this time, to the level of detail covered in each WGs’ standard
  13. ASN.1 Primer
  14. Rob McHugh is to try and arrange an ASN.1 Primer with Open Systems who could arrange a primer on the East Coast
  15. Next Meeting
  16. It is proposed that the next meeting should be tied in with the ASN.1 Primer. Rob is to contact OSS and suggest venues and dates.
  17. Any Other Business
  • Rail Vehicle Interface Standards Committee News is available at: http://www.tsd.org/

    There being no other business, the meeting was adjourned at 3:00 p.m.

    (Action items are printed in bold italicized font.)

  • Prepared by:

    R.E. McHugh, P.Eng.


    Chair, WG9

    Attachments: Participants List

    Agenda2

    I:\IEEE Minutes02.doc

    IEEE Rail Transit Vehicle Interface Standards Committee

     

    WG9 TRANSIT COMMUNICATIONS INTERFACE PROFILES FOR RAIL TRANSIT SYSTEMS

     

    Second Meeting, May 29, 1998

    Metro-North Training Department

    Grand Central Terminal

    7th Floor Hall B, Class 2

     

    Agenda

     

     

    10:00 -10:10 AM

    Introductions, Meeting Purpose

     

    10:10 - 11:00 AM

    Housekeeping

    Meeting Time and Place, next meeting

    TCIP Program & RTVISC liaison

    Discussion of Balloting Issues-

    Internet issues

     

    11:00 - Noon

    TCIP & Abstract Syntax Notation (ASN.1) Overview

    Database Integration & Integrity

     

    Noon - 1:00 PM

    Lunch

     

    1:00 - 3:00 PM

    Proposed data base format

    Input from Working Groups

    Review of Action Items

     

    3:00 PM

    Meeting Adjourns

     

     

    title firstname lastname company email WG9mtg1 WG9mtg2 fax
    Mr. Erhan Altinbilek Alcatel Transport Automation ealtin@torsel.alcatel.com yes yes 416-742-1136
    Mr. Robert Anderson Harmon Industries, Inc. bobjanand@aol.com no   816/650-3570
    Ms. Linda Sue Boehmer LSB Technology LSBTEC@AOL.COM no   412-653-4602
    Mr. Lance G. Cooper WMATA lcooper@wmata.com designate   202/962-1105
    Mr. Gopendra Dash Washington Metro. Area Transit 74654.346@compuserve.com yes    
    Ms. Patty Devlieg MUNI   no   415/554-3478
    Mr. Jim Dietz LTK Engineering Services jim-dietz@ltk-bluebell.ccmail.compuserve no   215-542-7676
    Mr. Wayne Galante MTA New York       718-488-6503
    Mr. Christian Girard Bombardier cgirard@transport.bombardier.com   yes 514-441-6815
    Mr. Joe Havrilla Metro-North havrilla@mnr.org   yes 212-499-4603
    Mr. James R Hoelscher General Railway Signal jhoelscher@sasibgrs.com no   716-783-2080
    Mr. Russell E Jackson STV Incorporated   no   215-629-3960
    Mr. Paul E Jamieson WABCO Passenger Transit Division pjamieson@ptd.wabco-rail.com yes no 864-433-0176
    Mr. Christopher W. Jenks Transportation Research Board   no   202/334-2006
    Mr. James W Kemp NJ Transit cplnjwk@njtransit.state.nj.us no   201-491-7837
    Mr. Hubert D Kirrmann ABB Corprate Research Ltd. hubert.kirrmann@chcrc.abb.ch yes no 41 56 493 36 62
    Mr. Russell Kology Metro-North rwkology@aol.com   yes 914-271-1644
    Mr. Joe Krempaski Washington Metro. Area Transit   yes   202-962-5982
    Mr. Bill Kronenberger Houston Transtar bjkronen@aol.com no   713-881-3028
    Mr. Kenneth Larsen Washington Metro. Area Transit klarsen@WMATA.com yes   202-962-1807
    Ms. Eva Lerner-Lam Palisades Consulting Group Inc. elernerlam@palisadesgroup.com no   201/567-8066
    Mr. John C. Lewis Mass. Bay Transportation Authority   no   617/222-3918
    Mr. Martin J. Lukes Washington Metro. Area Transit   designate   202-962-2437
    Mr. Thomas J McGean IEEE RTVISC t.j.mcgean@ieee.org yes   703 280 0748
    Mr. R. E. McHugh BCRTC (SkyTrain) rob_mchugh@bcrtc.bc.ca yes yes 604-521-2818
    Mr. John McNulty Metro-North jmcnulty@mnr.org   yes 212-340-2211
    Ms. Paula E. Okunieff ARINC pokunief@arinc.com yes   781-861-1492
    Ms. Linda Palmatier Com-net Integrated Info. Display Systems palmatie@gte.net     813-785-9409
    Mr. David R Phelps American Public Transit Association dphelps@apta.com yes no 202-898-4019
    Dr. Alan F Rumsey DeLeuw, Cather & Company&127; alan_rumsey@parsons.com no   212-266-8536
    Mr. David Rutherford Rail Safety Engineering PC daver@rsepc.com no   716/292-1446
    Mr. Louis Sanders American Public Transit Association lsanders@apta.com yes   202-898-4019
    Mr. Richard Sinigiani Metro-North sisgiani@mnr.org   yes 212-499-4375
    Mr. Tom Sullivan   tjs@pacbell.net     (H)415 495-6732
    Mr. Ted Woods Washington Metro. Area Transit woodsted@erols.com yes    
    Mr. Pierre Zuber ADTRANZ zuber_pierre@adtranza.com yes yes 412-655-5108